It is the opinion of the owner of this website based on circumstantial evidence, conjecture and common sense that the website PayBox.me is a scam. For those of you that are unfamiliar with it, PayBox.me is a new site that popped up around the beginning of September. PayBox.me claims to be a start up payment processing company similar to Paypal or Alertpay. They also offer generous bonuses for signing up and referring people during their “early bird” pre-launch phase like $50 to sign up, $20 per day and $5 per referral. Seems too good to be true right? I’m 99% sure it is, and I’ll tell you why.
PayBox’s Magic Beans
First, the most important information is buried back in the terms and conditions section and that is PayBox.me is paying those cash bonuses in their own currency. This PayBox currency at the present time, has no value and is not exchangeable for anything. Given the resources it would take to make Pay Box currency exchangeable with other established world currencies and/or the time and resources needed to establish strategic business partnerships with retailers to trade Pay Box currency for goods, it is my opinion that Pay Box currency will never have value.
Can You Say GreenZap?
Next, this is eerily similar to a program called Greenzap which some of you may remember. While Greenzap had some differences like ‘webcash’ was used instead of dollars and you only received $25 for signing up instead of $50 if you look at the discussion on this several year old forum (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=2190) you’ll notice you could replace the word ‘Greenzap’ with ‘PayBox’ and have it fit seamlessly. The Greenzap scam came to fruition when people began to realize that the webcash was not accepted at online retailers and thus had no value. The fact that it is difficult to determine who exactly is behind PayBox.me is troublesome, since it makes it difficult to connect it to other scams or even legitimate companies.
What’s In A Name?
That brings us to discussing the domain name. As a webmaster of a free site, I live from search engine traffic, specifically Google. One of the most important factors in Google’s determination in a websites position in search engine results is the length of the registration of the domain name. Google views domains registered for less than a year as spam and puts significantly lower in search engine results. PayBox.me at the time of this post was only registered till August of next year. That means that the domain will expire before (according to the PayBox.me roadmap) the Pay Box currency will be assigned a value.
While we’re talking about the domain name, I have been ask many times why they chose the .me extension and I can tell you exactly why. Pay Box is already an established German company that has been doing cellular phone payment processing for 10+ years. This company was bought out recently by Sybase, a publicly traded company with 5.8 billion dollar market cap. Both Sybase and their Pay Box company are completely unrelated to PayBox.me. So Paybox.com, paybox.net, paybox.org and others are all owned by Sybase, in fact Sybase owns the trademark to Pay Box (seen here – http://www.sybase.com/files/Legal_Docs/Sybase-Trademark-Listing_071409.pdf). So even if PayBox.me was successful in its business plan, they would probably get sued.
It’s Free To Sign Up, Why Should You Care Whether Paybox.me’s A Scam?
I keep hearing this argument saying that you have nothing to lose from signing up for free to PayBox.me. You may be right, PayBox.me may be nothing more than an email harvester. In which case they may sell their list and you will start to get spammed by people you never heard of. While that’s easy enough to block or ignore that email address, that is not the main concern with a scam like this.
Another type of scam is to charge a fee to ‘upgrade’ your account in order to access your balance. Sometimes a scammer will charge $15, $25, $99, something affordable, and then give you access to your play money or add more fake money in your account. At the time this article was written PayBox.me was the 1257th most trafficked website on the internet according to Alexa.com. While Alexa rankings are higher for sites that cater to marketers and SEOs because Alexa estimates traffic based on surfers who have the Alexa toolbar installed, they’re still probably getting hundreds of thousands of visitors per day. That’s a lot of uninformed people that could turn over their money to this scam.
If your reading this, you were probably savvy enough to search for PayBox Scam on a search engine, but many other people may blindly upgrade without doing their due diligence. Including people that you have directly referred. Now I’ve heard the argument that $15, $25 dollars isn’t that much to risk or lose, however in both multi-level marketing (mlm) and affiliate marketing the people who are successful are those who brand themselves as leaders and gurus. If I followed a so called leader who I trusted and they referred me to a scam, even if I didn’t lose a penny, how could I ever trust them again? Why would I buy a product from them in the future?
Just The Half Of It
Unfortunately, I have more unsettling information about the validity of the PayBox.me program but due to space concerns I will have to split this article into another part. Until part 2 is released later this week, whether you agree or disagree with anything I’ve said or if you have more information regarding PayBox.me please leave your comments here. This is an open forum and all opinions are welcome.
98 Comments
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One thing everyone seems to have missed with PayBox is that they only have a postal address on their site and members can only contact them that way. If members have a problem with a service or product not being supplied their is no way they can fix this immediately and by the time the mail gets through it is all over red rover and if by any chance your VP cash is worth anything you have lost your money.
i am a mamber of paybox now i get heps off scams asking me for money or free money in my hotmail account yes paybox is a scam wheres the f…ing money thay go on about just blog after f…ing blog
La red no localiza desde hace varios días, la página de virtapay, pero eso no es raro porque tambien muchos de los bux, y ptr han dejado de aparecer con sus páginas… el dinero fácil,…fácil se vá….el dinero virtual, pues no es material, no se toca, no es físico… son puras ilusiones para ilusos o soñadores piratas…no ?
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I joined PayBox.me last year and I did accumulate over 625.00 of their virtual money. I lagged behind a few days and they terninate me as I could not sign in a few minutes ago.
ALL OF A SUDDEN WHEN I TRY TO LOG IN IT SCREAMS THAT THIS IS AN UNTRUSTED SITE!
One more thing has anyone even been banned on paybox for not doing the tasks asked of them? I know I haven’t, and my account is still standing. This might be proof that they have plans for scamming their members, perhaps by somehow asking them to pay in some money? This is only my opinion, I could be wrong but this seems a little suspicious.
Ok at first I thought this website sounded legit, I mean they have no ads, no surveys that would actually earn you money, and they never ask for credit card information. However paybox.me went into stages where there was card voting, store voting, and they even opened up their own store where people were “claiming” to sell stuff. But this store wasn’t even what tipped me off, it was the fact that they changed their entire website over to this “VirtaPay.” Now I know changing the name doesn’t mean it’s a scam, but they deleted everything on their website related to paybox. They virtually backstepped from some progress to none. There is no longer any cards, store, nothing! This is obviously a scam, because it seems like they are trying to start over and get away from the bad rep they got for paybox.
As a non-participant in the paybox.me site I originally thought it would be a marketing program to exchange the monies saved with online purchasing. This, of course, is not factual. The credit card voting is ridiculous. Why? They list the top ten most voted cards and one card is tied for three places?? Doesn’t this sound peculiar? Now that I find out that their dollar values are worse than the current value of the American dollar….I have pulled the plug. Game over!
You are 100% right !
Ahhhhhh.
Some of my other questions answer by Mr Alexa.com.
“Paybox.me’s three-month global Alexa traffic rank is 825. While the site is ranked #223 in Russia, where we estimate that 14% of its visitors are located, it is also popular in Nigeria, where it is ranked #84. Approximately 16% of visits to this site consist of only one pageview (i.e., are bounces). Visitors to the site view 13.2 unique pages each day on average. Compared with the overall internet population, Paybox.me’s users tend to browse from home, and they are disproportionately low-income Asians and men aged under 25 and over 45 who are not college graduates and have more children.”
Explains a lot
P.T. Barnum was right.
PayBox.me has started heavily promoting ClickBank marketing products to their members. They are saying that soon they are offering some kind of program where we can make BIG, BIG MONEY. IF we are trained and can market the program.
BALONEY, I know that the sellers of ClickBank Products can make 50 to 75% of the sale of each product sold. One of the marketing products cost $97.00 per month, and that is American Dollars, NOT PayBox Dollars.They also are promoting several other Marketing Training programs by ClickBank. I told them that WHEN they open up the PayBox and give me the money I have earned, then and ONLY THEN will I buy any of the Marketing Products. Well they haven’t done that, and I haven’t bought anything, and I won’t. I SMELL A BIG FAT RAT HERE!!.
well it is worth a try
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You know this f’ing sucks., ive been around the block a few times and maybe im a little too honest a person, but it seems like everything I like something and the alexa looks good we get all these f’ers talking about scam this and scam that,, is it a f’ing scam or not, and Boris ive been to two different sites now – why are you so interested in telling the world about it being a scam if the guy 2 posts below is saying it is legit? The last time this happened to me was on ijango, which everybody screamed was a scam.. everybody, but now im still getting checks from them and the main blog which was this dude called clicksniper (which was an idiot anyway) who was ripping them apart couldnt even renew his website name and even the BBB backed off a year later… Scam or Not – what ever, just pisses me off …its like a bunch of scamming whores who run around the internet and bash peoples sites. Maybe your doing good, and props, maybe your just pissing in the wind?
Steve.
Good on ya mate. I never said anything on the ijango thing so don’t even associate it to what I say.
Don’t even try and read anything about why paybox.me is obviously a scam Steve, because you have made up your mind already. Your mind is a closed shop! Maybe you are one of Bezerras damage control army. I really cant understand people like you. Show me what part of it ISN’T total BS. Listen here mate, No I do not like MLM but still respect that MLM is a ‘legitimate’ marketing & sales stream that many people in the world today participate in. Like most things in this world you work hard at it & you will suceed – sometimes beyond your wildest dreams, but MLM is just a method that I am not personally fond of.
You will NOT se me throw mud to MLM though because I do have respect that everyone has different beliefs. Thats cool.
However when I see associates, peers, & folk I know on the net swimming thru junk mail since signing up for paybox , which promised the world & delivers nothing I speak out.
Depends on how one defines the word scam.. The front looked great (heck I almost signed up, it was so good but then I read the smallprint) How many people really read any small print?? Not many. How many go & look at who might be behind it. Only a very few like me. How many see & report the lies told. Me & a only few others. Who has the right to know? Everybody!
People are very very slowly becoming aware that not everything is as it seems on the net. Many try their best to do due diligence before signing up, but dont have the resources to really be able to do the proper job. Thats why I Stepped in & exposed it for what it is. There are others who have also seen other aspects & reported such. We are there to show the people the other side so they can make their own informed decisions.
Whats in it for me?
Absolutely nothing in a financial sense. It actually costs me money to do the research & collect the facts, because time is money!
However on a personal level I get the satisfaction of knowing that I helped some folk make a well informed decision.
As do the webmasters who publish their own material on paybox. And I thank them for allowing me to post freely on their pages , such as this one..
In fact one webmaster (cant remember – might be this site) was promoting paybox till I did a post then he/she did their own research into the matter & did a complete about-turn! But I guess that took a little intelligence on their part to do some due dilligence.
Sadly, from the tone of your post above, it would appear that you lack that same intelligence, & would rather swear & cuss about why people like me & the author of this site are such (to put it mildly) – dirtbags for calling paybox a scam, rather than providing some solids grounds to the contrary.
However, when you have settled down & stopped throwing your toys out of your cot, I will wish you the best & hope that you will see the light regarding paybox.me
Regards
Boris
Would you truely trust this guy with your details???
Nilo Bezerra – a Brazillian national.
Promotes mostly MLM – many of them proven scams & many scams in the making.
I leave it to you to decide.
I have more in my post on http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=135100
Once again, you are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, Boris. I didn’t even have to do much work to make the connections (or should I say disconnections?). Paybox is NOT owned by Nilo Bezerra. Someone may be “100% reliable,” but that doesn’t make the person always right about everything. It is especially hard to accept an accusation hiding under the claim “I can’t disclose my source.” If it is false – which based on my investigation it is, you have damaged someone’s image; or assuming the person is a marketer with bad intentions, you have given the person free promotion (that is, you were just snookered by a marketer operating under the assumption that any kind of publicity is good publicity). You helped him even promote the sites he’s been working hard for. I believe in due diligence, not just a “100% reliable source.” Of course I would eat my words if you or anyone else presents evidence that can be independently scrutinized and verified that Nilo Bezerra is the owner of Paybox.me. I will have more information later, but in the meanwhile the basic argument in this article: http://www.findingeye.info/article/3/is-payboxme-a-scam-i-rebuttal still applies to your new allegation.
Did I mention that my source was a person?
I refer to the tools I have in my arsenal as sources also.
Yes I did initially think DW had resurfaced as this looked a lot like what he did with greenzap, however I proved myself to be incorrect on that count.
At the time I wrote that post on scam.com, I was only suspecting DW. The evidence provided otherwise, and pointed squarely at Nilo Bezerra.
The evidence my source (read arsenal) has provided me has irrefutable proof that Nilo is the man behind this.
Why, you may ask, am I not providing the hard evidence?
The answer to that is, I may not be able to use that particular tool in investigations I do for others on an everyday basis if I reveal it, as scammers will resolve it in advance in their next scam.
But trust me, I am right, 100% (unless it changes hands in the future but I very much doubt that it will.)
I hope to now just sit back & watch the downward slide of paybox now that folk can see the truth
As for your lovely website AssertionsChallenged , you have absolutely nothing on paybox.me except for a whole lot of defenses (most of which are rather lame & some well outdated)
You have zero new information. But then again you could even be Nilo himself?!
Or one of his bunnies in damage control mode.
Well good luck
AssertionsChallenged: I just reread your post just now.
You say & I quote -”If it is false – which based on my investigation it is, you have……”
Either 1 of 2 things have happened here…..
1. you’re not even an investigators butthole – you have absolutely no idea whatsoever! If you were a true investigator, worth his salt, you would find it was Nilo by now (especially after I have named him, which makes it 100 times easier). You have not found anyone else unrelated, directly behind this because Nilo is the man! So stop PRETENDING to have found someone else or even suggesting so, you egg!
or
2. You are either Nilo himself or one of his egghead soldiers in damage control. Your pathetic info on your website has no substance & is only there to attack this site, & offer so many out clauses in legal mumbo jumbo to try to convince the members who are teetering on the edge of stay or go, to hold a bit longer.
AC, you have been outdone this time buddy. Nilo has been exposed. Time to put the paybox.me trash out people.
At first I figured what the heck……….I’ll join………..
I have read this regarding “Paybox.me”
I too believe it is a scam.
As far as paying to be an affliate, not only $47. and $37. the first day they had one for $99.. (like that’s going to happen from my wallet)!
I wrote in their so-called survey re: bad online experience for a payment processor:
Paybox is my bad experience seeing as how you do not accept your own currency to buy these affliate programs.
Long story short I continued participating a few more days and my my how my balance increased much quicker for the same effort.
I’ve got to go with a “Hmmm”
Caveat emptor!
i have 80 dollar but how i get it my hand,,plz any one can know that,,,,,mail bmiah@ymail.com…..
not worth wasting your time the admin sells everyones email for money and you get nothing but spam! why isnt the domain registered for the next 10 yrs if it plans on staying around. Paybox money is not REAL people smarten up
Paybox.me is like gambling you could become rich or if it’s scam you only lose a minute per day. So I think it worths trying it, why not?
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Also, I’ve checked out this site above and it’s very real. A good rule of thumb is how much they are paying you per click. If it’s something crazy like $10, $5, or even $2 per click, then it’s a scam and all they’ll give you is a weak way to advertise. However, if they pay you pennies per click then it’s a legitimate way for them afford to pay you since the profits outweigh the costs to them.
Well, if the exchange rate is 4000:1 then I need everyone to send me their balances so that I can make $1.
lol
Username: bene77
http://www.paybox.me/r/bene77
A friend recently asked me to join a supposedly paying website: http://www.paybox. me. He told me that the wbsite will be giving me a reward for joining amounting to $ 25 and for every referral i will be getting $10. I tried it out. But after doing some research, I realized that the website is still on its pre-launch stage and there is no assurance whether or not I will be able to redeem the money I earned for my joining and referrals whicn now amounts to $ 900.
However, growing curious about these paying websites, I joined another site and it turns out legit and that they indeed pay and I was able to redeem $ 50 dollars which they credited to my paypal account.
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