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Update – Paybox.me Scam Alert Explained

It is the opinion of the owner of this website based on circumstantial evidence, conjecture and common sense that the website PayBox.me is a scam. For those of you that are unfamiliar with it, PayBox.me is a new site that popped up around the beginning of September. PayBox.me claims to be a start up payment processing company similar to Paypal or Alertpay. They also offer generous bonuses for signing up and referring people during their “early bird” pre-launch phase like $50 to sign up, $20 per day and $5 per referral. Seems too good to be true right? I’m 99% sure it is, and I’ll tell you why.

PayBox’s Magic Beans

First, the most important information is buried back in the terms and conditions section and that is PayBox.me is paying those cash bonuses in their own currency. This PayBox currency at the present time, has no value and is not exchangeable for anything. Given the resources it would take to make Pay Box currency exchangeable with other established world currencies and/or the time and resources needed to establish strategic business partnerships with retailers to trade Pay Box currency for goods, it is my opinion that Pay Box currency will never have value.

Can You Say GreenZap?

Next, this is eerily similar to a program called Greenzap which some of you may remember. While Greenzap had some differences like ‘webcash’ was used instead of dollars and you only received $25 for signing up instead of $50 if you look at the discussion on this several year old forum (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=2190) you’ll notice you could replace the word ‘Greenzap’ with ‘PayBox’ and have it fit seamlessly. The Greenzap scam came to fruition when people began to realize that the webcash was not accepted at online retailers and thus had no value. The fact that it is difficult to determine who exactly is behind PayBox.me is troublesome, since it makes it difficult to connect it to other scams or even legitimate companies.

What’s In A Name?

That brings us to discussing the domain name. As a webmaster of a free site, I live from search engine traffic, specifically Google. One of the most important factors in Google’s determination in a websites position in search engine results is the length of the registration of the domain name. Google views domains registered for less than a year as spam and puts significantly lower in search engine results. PayBox.me at the time of this post was only registered till August of next year. That means that the domain will expire before (according to the PayBox.me roadmap) the Pay Box currency will be assigned a value.

While we’re talking about the domain name, I have been ask many times why they chose the .me extension and I can tell you exactly why. Pay Box is already an established German company that has been doing cellular phone payment processing for 10+ years. This company was bought out recently by Sybase, a publicly traded company with 5.8 billion dollar market cap. Both Sybase and their Pay Box company are completely unrelated to PayBox.me. So Paybox.com, paybox.net, paybox.org and others are all owned by Sybase, in fact Sybase owns the trademark to Pay Box (seen here – http://www.sybase.com/files/Legal_Docs/Sybase-Trademark-Listing_071409.pdf). So even if PayBox.me was successful in its business plan, they would probably get sued.

It’s Free To Sign Up, Why Should You Care Whether Paybox.me’s A Scam?

I keep hearing this argument saying that you have nothing to lose from signing up for free to PayBox.me. You may be right, PayBox.me may be nothing more than an email harvester. In which case they may sell their list and you will start to get spammed by people you never heard of. While that’s easy enough to block or ignore that email address, that is not the main concern with a scam like this.

Another type of scam is to charge a fee to ‘upgrade’ your account in order to access your balance. Sometimes a scammer will charge $15, $25, $99, something affordable, and then give you access to your play money or add more fake money in your account. At the time this article was written PayBox.me was the 1257th most trafficked website on the internet according to Alexa.com. While Alexa rankings are higher for sites that cater to marketers and SEOs because Alexa estimates traffic based on surfers who have the Alexa toolbar installed, they’re still probably getting hundreds of thousands of visitors per day. That’s a lot of uninformed people that could turn over their money to this scam.

If your reading this, you were probably savvy enough to search for PayBox Scam on a search engine, but many other people may blindly upgrade without doing their due diligence. Including people that you have directly referred. Now I’ve heard the argument that $15, $25 dollars isn’t that much to risk or lose, however in both multi-level marketing (mlm) and affiliate marketing the people who are successful are those who brand themselves as leaders and gurus. If I followed a so called leader who I trusted and they referred me to a scam, even if I didn’t lose a penny, how could I ever trust them again? Why would I buy a product from them in the future?

Just The Half Of It

Unfortunately, I have more unsettling information about the validity of the PayBox.me program but due to space concerns I will have to split this article into another part. Until part 2 is released later this week, whether you agree or disagree with anything I’ve said or if you have more information regarding PayBox.me please leave your comments here. This is an open forum and all opinions are welcome.



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  • Cherie25
    One thing everyone seems to have missed with PayBox is that they only have a postal address on their site and members can only contact them that way.  If members have a problem with a service or product not being supplied  their is no way they can fix this immediately and by the time the mail gets through it is all over red rover and if by any chance your VP cash is worth anything you have lost your money.
  • logan uncles
    i am a mamber of paybox now i get heps off scams asking me for money or free money in my hotmail account yes paybox is a scam wheres the f...ing money thay go on about just blog after f...ing blog
  • Santos
    I joined PayBox.me last year and I did accumulate over 625.00 of their virtual money. I lagged behind a few days and they terninate me as I could not sign in a few minutes ago.
  • Lisa
    ALL OF A SUDDEN WHEN I TRY TO LOG IN IT SCREAMS THAT THIS IS AN UNTRUSTED SITE!
  • Hockysprt
    One more thing has anyone even been banned on paybox for not doing the tasks asked of them? I know I haven't, and my account is still standing. This might be proof that they have plans for scamming their members, perhaps by somehow asking them to pay in some money? This is only my opinion, I could be wrong but this seems a little suspicious.
  • Hockysprt
    Ok at first I thought this website sounded legit, I mean they have no ads, no surveys that would actually earn you money, and they never ask for credit card information. However paybox.me went into stages where there was card voting, store voting, and they even opened up their own store where people were "claiming" to sell stuff. But this store wasn't even what tipped me off, it was the fact that they changed their entire website over to this "VirtaPay." Now I know changing the name doesn't mean it's a scam, but they deleted everything on their website related to paybox. They virtually backstepped from some progress to none. There is no longer any cards, store, nothing! This is obviously a scam, because it seems like they are trying to start over and get away from the bad rep they got for paybox.
  • Goddess
    As a non-participant in the paybox.me site I originally thought it would be a marketing program to exchange the monies saved with online purchasing. This, of course, is not factual. The credit card voting is ridiculous. Why? They list the top ten most voted cards and one card is tied for three places?? Doesn't this sound peculiar? Now that I find out that their dollar values are worse than the current value of the American dollar....I have pulled the plug. Game over!
  • Assetbreeze
    You are 100% right !
  • Boris the Investigator
    Ahhhhhh.
    Some of my other questions answer by Mr Alexa.com.

    "Paybox.me's three-month global Alexa traffic rank is 825. While the site is ranked #223 in Russia, where we estimate that 14% of its visitors are located, it is also popular in Nigeria, where it is ranked #84. Approximately 16% of visits to this site consist of only one pageview (i.e., are bounces). Visitors to the site view 13.2 unique pages each day on average. Compared with the overall internet population, Paybox.me's users tend to browse from home, and they are disproportionately low-income Asians and men aged under 25 and over 45 who are not college graduates and have more children."

    Explains a lot ;-)
  • Guest
    Yeh unfortunately certain people are targets!
  • ISaidThat
    P.T. Barnum was right.
  • PeggySue
    PayBox.me has started heavily promoting ClickBank marketing products to their members. They are saying that soon they are offering some kind of program where we can make BIG, BIG MONEY. IF we are trained and can market the program.
    BALONEY, I know that the sellers of ClickBank Products can make 50 to 75% of the sale of each product sold. One of the marketing products cost $97.00 per month, and that is American Dollars, NOT PayBox Dollars.They also are promoting several other Marketing Training programs by ClickBank. I told them that WHEN they open up the PayBox and give me the money I have earned, then and ONLY THEN will I buy any of the Marketing Products. Well they haven't done that, and I haven't bought anything, and I won't. I SMELL A BIG FAT RAT HERE!!.
  • Steve
    You know this f'ing sucks., ive been around the block a few times and maybe im a little too honest a person, but it seems like everything I like something and the alexa looks good we get all these f'ers talking about scam this and scam that,, is it a f'ing scam or not, and Boris ive been to two different sites now - why are you so interested in telling the world about it being a scam if the guy 2 posts below is saying it is legit? The last time this happened to me was on ijango, which everybody screamed was a scam.. everybody, but now im still getting checks from them and the main blog which was this dude called clicksniper (which was an idiot anyway) who was ripping them apart couldnt even renew his website name and even the BBB backed off a year later... Scam or Not - what ever, just pisses me off ...its like a bunch of scamming whores who run around the internet and bash peoples sites. Maybe your doing good, and props, maybe your just pissing in the wind?
  • Boris the Investigator
    Steve.
    Good on ya mate. I never said anything on the ijango thing so don't even associate it to what I say.
    Don't even try and read anything about why paybox.me is obviously a scam Steve, because you have made up your mind already. Your mind is a closed shop! Maybe you are one of Bezerras damage control army. I really cant understand people like you. Show me what part of it ISN'T total BS. Listen here mate, No I do not like MLM but still respect that MLM is a 'legitimate' marketing & sales stream that many people in the world today participate in. Like most things in this world you work hard at it & you will suceed - sometimes beyond your wildest dreams, but MLM is just a method that I am not personally fond of.
    You will NOT se me throw mud to MLM though because I do have respect that everyone has different beliefs. Thats cool.

    However when I see associates, peers, & folk I know on the net swimming thru junk mail since signing up for paybox , which promised the world & delivers nothing I speak out.
    Depends on how one defines the word scam.. The front looked great (heck I almost signed up, it was so good but then I read the smallprint) How many people really read any small print?? Not many. How many go & look at who might be behind it. Only a very few like me. How many see & report the lies told. Me & a only few others. Who has the right to know? Everybody!
    People are very very slowly becoming aware that not everything is as it seems on the net. Many try their best to do due diligence before signing up, but dont have the resources to really be able to do the proper job. Thats why I Stepped in & exposed it for what it is. There are others who have also seen other aspects & reported such. We are there to show the people the other side so they can make their own informed decisions.

    Whats in it for me?
    Absolutely nothing in a financial sense. It actually costs me money to do the research & collect the facts, because time is money!
    However on a personal level I get the satisfaction of knowing that I helped some folk make a well informed decision.
    As do the webmasters who publish their own material on paybox. And I thank them for allowing me to post freely on their pages , such as this one..
    In fact one webmaster (cant remember - might be this site) was promoting paybox till I did a post then he/she did their own research into the matter & did a complete about-turn! But I guess that took a little intelligence on their part to do some due dilligence.
    Sadly, from the tone of your post above, it would appear that you lack that same intelligence, & would rather swear & cuss about why people like me & the author of this site are such (to put it mildly) - dirtbags for calling paybox a scam, rather than providing some solids grounds to the contrary.

    However, when you have settled down & stopped throwing your toys out of your cot, I will wish you the best & hope that you will see the light regarding paybox.me

    Regards
    Boris
  • Boris the Investigator
    Would you truely trust this guy with your details???

    Nilo Bezerra - a Brazillian national.
    Promotes mostly MLM - many of them proven scams & many scams in the making.

    I leave it to you to decide.
    I have more in my post on http://scam.com/showthread.php...
  • AssertionsChallenged
    Once again, you are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, Boris. I didn't even have to do much work to make the connections (or should I say disconnections?). Paybox is NOT owned by Nilo Bezerra. Someone may be "100% reliable," but that doesn't make the person always right about everything. It is especially hard to accept an accusation hiding under the claim "I can't disclose my source." If it is false - which based on my investigation it is, you have damaged someone's image; or assuming the person is a marketer with bad intentions, you have given the person free promotion (that is, you were just snookered by a marketer operating under the assumption that any kind of publicity is good publicity). You helped him even promote the sites he's been working hard for. I believe in due diligence, not just a "100% reliable source." Of course I would eat my words if you or anyone else presents evidence that can be independently scrutinized and verified that Nilo Bezerra is the owner of Paybox.me. I will have more information later, but in the meanwhile the basic argument in this article: http://www.findingeye.info/art... still applies to your new allegation.
  • Boris the Investigator
    AssertionsChallenged: I just reread your post just now.
    You say & I quote -"If it is false - which based on my investigation it is, you have......"
    Either 1 of 2 things have happened here.....
    1. you're not even an investigators butthole - you have absolutely no idea whatsoever! If you were a true investigator, worth his salt, you would find it was Nilo by now (especially after I have named him, which makes it 100 times easier). You have not found anyone else unrelated, directly behind this because Nilo is the man! So stop PRETENDING to have found someone else or even suggesting so, you egg!
    or
    2. You are either Nilo himself or one of his egghead soldiers in damage control. Your pathetic info on your website has no substance & is only there to attack this site, & offer so many out clauses in legal mumbo jumbo to try to convince the members who are teetering on the edge of stay or go, to hold a bit longer.

    AC, you have been outdone this time buddy. Nilo has been exposed. Time to put the paybox.me trash out people.
  • Boris the Investigator
    Did I mention that my source was a person?
    I refer to the tools I have in my arsenal as sources also.
    Yes I did initially think DW had resurfaced as this looked a lot like what he did with greenzap, however I proved myself to be incorrect on that count.
    At the time I wrote that post on scam.com, I was only suspecting DW. The evidence provided otherwise, and pointed squarely at Nilo Bezerra.
    The evidence my source (read arsenal) has provided me has irrefutable proof that Nilo is the man behind this.
    Why, you may ask, am I not providing the hard evidence?
    The answer to that is, I may not be able to use that particular tool in investigations I do for others on an everyday basis if I reveal it, as scammers will resolve it in advance in their next scam.
    But trust me, I am right, 100% (unless it changes hands in the future but I very much doubt that it will.)
    I hope to now just sit back & watch the downward slide of paybox now that folk can see the truth
    As for your lovely website AssertionsChallenged , you have absolutely nothing on paybox.me except for a whole lot of defenses (most of which are rather lame & some well outdated)
    You have zero new information. But then again you could even be Nilo himself?!
    Or one of his bunnies in damage control mode.
    Well good luck
  • Yvelisse
    At first I figured what the heck..........I'll join...........
    I have read this regarding “Paybox.me
    I too believe it is a scam.
    As far as paying to be an affliate, not only $47. and $37. the first day they had one for $99.. (like that’s going to happen from my wallet)!
    I wrote in their so-called survey re: bad online experience for a payment processor:
    Paybox is my bad experience seeing as how you do not accept your own currency to buy these affliate programs.
    Long story short I continued participating a few more days and my my how my balance increased much quicker for the same effort.
    I’ve got to go with a “Hmmm”
    Caveat emptor!
  • Akhibegum1990
    i have 80 dollar but how i get it my hand,,plz any one can know that,,,,,mail bmiah@ymail.com.....
  • Ihatescams
    not worth wasting your time the admin sells everyones email for money and you get nothing but spam! why isnt the domain registered for the next 10 yrs if it plans on staying around. Paybox money is not REAL people smarten up
  • dan
    pay box is not a scam howver it is misleading
    they say you can get $50 ( it has now droped to $20)
    this is all good but i recently discovered on the paybox marketplace that the exchange rate is 4000:1
    i worked out that to get $1000 paybox you would need to be a long term user and refer around 20-50 people. in return they would give you $0.25 US ALOT CHEAPER THAN ADVERTISING
  • Pete
    After a lengthy bit of research on this amazing offer, it is indeed a 'company' based in Montenegro and any reputable financial advisor will tell you that country has serious corruption issues. Not least that several so-called banks are entirely fronts for money laundering the profits of organised crime gangs across eastern Europe.
    I spoke to some old friends who said that they are aware of investigations on-going but progress is painfully slow due to a severe lack of co-operation from the autorities there.
    Any financial organisation who set up a domain and hide behind private registrars is breaking international codes of banking practice. My advice is in all such cases, if it says 'free money' it most definitely will be anything but because no bank ever gives money away, except maybe to their CEO.
  • matt
    i pinged their server and looked it up it is hosted by AMAZON and is based in washington
  • Geooge
    Okay lets put it plain and simple. The site says they have over 300 000 members, and they give up to $20 a day for active members and $10 for each refferal, so lets just assume the averge makings for everyone is $20 a day and there is 50 000 active members. Over only 30 days that would be 30 MILLION dollars. Now Google makes about 120 million a month, so where will this company get all this money to pay us? SCAM!
  • Dan
    as i said above the exchange rate is 4000:1 so over 30 days it would actualy be $7500 ALOT CHEAPER THAN ADVERTISING
  • Phee~Phee
    If you have a paybox account and have now deemed it a waste of time or a scam please feel free to send your balance to username: pheephee85. :)
  • Talktome730
    If you're so worried about scams, why is there so much crap in your comments section? How about removing some of the spam posts once in a while?
  • Angrydave
    It's harmless. I play with it a few mins here and there while working at my computer. Don't really expect it to turn into much if anything. I paid nothing, did not give extensive personal info, and do not invest time other tha switching over from other pages briefly. It might be a marketing research tool
  • Inmypjs
    Where is part 2?
  • Echo Storm
    Trust me when i say this... There are MUCH better sites than any sites that your going to... They pay FAST and with a minimum dollar payout (paypal mostly but others have other ways) Quick and easy!

    http://www.onbux.com/?r=Echost... <----Good Site... Very easy to make cash

    http://www.incentria.com/index... <---- My personal Favorite

    http://www.AWSurveys.com/HomeM... <--- Slow but pays big.

    http://www.prizelive.com/r/Ech... <---- One of the best.. and the one ive taken the most out of!
  • Sokpo
    http://www.AWSurveys.com/HomeM ... <---apparently does not pay, the payment of any money?
  • Migz_lopez
    True - they have a supposedly minimum requirement for payout but no additonal surveys are available making you stuck and unable to encash your "earnings"
  • JUJ885
    JUST ANOTHER THOUGHT REGARDING THE PAYBOX.ME SCAM..... HAVING JUST READ OTHER NOTES, WHY
    IS THERE NO CUSTOMER SERVICE INFO???? THE DEVELOPERS ARE HIDING BEHIND THEIR MASKS...
    THERE IS NO WAY ON THIS PLANET THEY ARE GOING HAVE THE ACTUAL $$$$$ TO PAY UP....
    AND NO WAY TO GO AFTER THEM, IF THEY UNDER CLOAK AND DAGGER ????? CORRECT..
    ANY ONE ELSE HAS ANY THOUGHTS????
  • JUJ885
    has anybody noticed paybox.me uses the same logo box as paybox.com?
    IS THIS NOT A LOGO INFRINGEMENT? OR COPY INFRINGEMENT?
  • Iam a Fool
    People who can think just for a little can know it's a scam! well think about it! I signed up just for a few days, doing just a few click and I've already gain over $160. now they say stage #2 they will open the box which people will be able to use their system like paypal. and they will only do it when there are around 2-5 million users. Where do you think they'll get all the money to pay you? if everyone earn just the amount they give at sign up: $25. that would cost them at least $50 million dollars. even though they are making money from displaying lots of ads when user visit the site, I doubt that they make that much to pay the users. also, unlike paypal or visa or master card, if you don't sign in for a month, your account will be terminate and you loose everything. well, this is just my thought.
  • OCHIEKA
    if you really are a site expert, didnt you know what was ebay.com, PayPal.com, Alertpay.com, Clickbank.com and Amazon.com before..its business man, and it is strategy..maybe you are just a geek, not a business-oriented one.why cant you compete with PayBox.com? you said you were an expert and a webmaster.
  • Yes
    Whether it is a scam or not remains to be seen. I haven't given them any money and neither has anyone else. However, I find it rather curious that members are being asked to choose merchants they would like to spend their Paybox money with. If the money is real and if the debit cards are worth their salt issued by Visa or MC, what's the choosing merchants about? If it is a legit debit card Visa or MC should be issuing them to be used at any merchant we wish.

    Now, with that said what is backing up the Paybox balances? There must be MILLIONS of "dollars" in members accounts by now. I seriously doubt this money will just be handed to us. If there is an upgrade involved where real money has to be spent to access fake money, then we all have the answer we seek. They have to know this won't fly. As it stands no one has lost any money. Lets just see what develops.

  • Carcyn
    Hmmm...some of you may remember years ago about another scam -- those so-called "checks" that came in the mail but would only be good toward a particular merchandiser's products whose prices were several times higher and you would have to make up the difference.
  • Kevin
    where's the update it's a new introductory paragraph, this site could be a scam.
  • Sbhproductions
    I think you are probably correct but I did sign up but I won't refer anyone until I find out the real deal. If it is infact, a scam at least I wouldn't have referred anyone to it at this point. Thanks for the great info.
  • Carcyn
    I agree. I figured I'd draw the line if they asked for $$ or for private info, but think the possibility of email harvesting and asking $ to access your "online currency" will probably be right on. Their language sounds suspicious too, plus too much secrecy. Thanks for some exceptional info.
  • I signed up to Paybox because it has the potential to be better than stupid Paypal. When I first signed up with paypal, I thought it was a scam too, but even though its reputation has spread over the globe as a payment processor, I have been scammed more by them and ripped off by them, so I am hoping, once this is released as a processor, that they will learn from Paypal's mistakes.
  • 5kyw41k
    You are right Lola. I'm with you. Paypal has really ripped some customers!
  • Jeremy
    Interesting research and facts. Like they say if it looks too good it probably is. You may well be right, there may be some hidden plan. It is interesting that the name already appears to be trademarked. You would need an unrelated name to distinguish the business in the market place or face legal action. When you see how large companies have sued over colour schemes for advertising and similar hoardings etc. I will look forward to your next report.

    Cheers
  • O__0
    um this post has no date on it what year was it written?
  • Mysouldarling
    now my paybox balance went down and still no contact by errors@paybox.me so appears someone from the paybox team is reading the possible scam reports and posts. That seems to be
    very childish behavior when saying they want to be the best pay program on the internet. Also now 1 million members or more before the so called paybox is open. So I keep refering people, I don't get referal acknowledgement and they get info on all of the people I have refered for free. Makes for a nice email list if that is what they are doing. Whoever is reading these posts from paybox where are my referals and 5 dollar supposed bonuses for? and why would I sell something for paybox dollars may never even become real money? That seems a bit stupid. 10 27 10 1:51 pm
  • KateGladstone
    A mysterious transaction in my PayBox History claims that I sent $400 PayBox Dollars to my PayBox referrer -- however, I did not do any such thing.

    Be warned ...
  • Guest
    Someone knows your username and password.
    Be warned your self.
  • Steve
    Sorry so quick a post again..Just forgot to mention that PayPal has had serious honesty issues..but yet is still backed by all major contributers..OH lest we forget the millons of dallars lost to the PayPal Scam..hmm Today it still has no admin support..accuses everyone i Know of cheating when larger amounts of money are used.Im sure all the website owners including whoever reads this post.Or they Freeze your account..has this happened to anyone on this blog?But im not a big buisiness man or own a website..i just see whats in front of me and see nothing to lose by giving a new promissing business a fair shake.
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